{"id":2626,"date":"2014-10-10T20:45:40","date_gmt":"2014-10-10T20:45:40","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.calla2.com\/wordpress\/?p=2626"},"modified":"2026-03-15T15:52:05","modified_gmt":"2026-03-15T15:52:05","slug":"melanie-fishbanes-dance-of-the-banished-interview","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.calla.com\/wordpress\/melanie-fishbanes-dance-of-the-banished-interview\/","title":{"rendered":"Melanie Fishbane&#8217;s Dance of the Banished interview"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Thank you, Melanie, for this great interview!<\/p>\n<div id=\"post-1104\" class=\"post-1104 post type-post status-publish format-standard hentry category-authors category-book-reviews category-childrens-literature category-talented-friends category-writing tag-anatolia tag-authors tag-book-reviews-2 tag-canadian-authors tag-canadian-childrens-literature tag-childrens-literature tag-dance-of-the-banished tag-historical-fiction tag-marsha-forchuk-skrypuch tag-marsha-skrypuch tag-pajamas-press tag-world-war-i tag-writing-qa\">\n<h2 class=\"entry-title\">An Interview with Marsha\u00a0Skrypuch<\/h2>\n<div class=\"entry-meta\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"entry-content\">\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Marsha Skrypuch<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span>and I<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span>have a history.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_65\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-65\" style=\"width: 206px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.calla.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/DanceOfTheBanished_HR_RGB1.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-65\" src=\"https:\/\/www.calla.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/DanceOfTheBanished_HR_RGB1-206x300.jpg\" alt=\"DanceOfTheBanished_HR_RGB1\" width=\"206\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.calla.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/DanceOfTheBanished_HR_RGB1-206x300.jpg 206w, https:\/\/www.calla.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/DanceOfTheBanished_HR_RGB1-103x150.jpg 103w, https:\/\/www.calla.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/DanceOfTheBanished_HR_RGB1-705x1024.jpg 705w, https:\/\/www.calla.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/DanceOfTheBanished_HR_RGB1-1200x1744.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/www.calla.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/DanceOfTheBanished_HR_RGB1.jpg 1376w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 206px) 85vw, 206px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-65\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Geoffrey Bilson winner<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>It makes sense because we both write and care about history\u2013particularly stories where there has been injustice. I believe that we are humanitarians, who\u00a0hope\u00a0that our stories of the past will resonate with the present, bringing awareness about people who have for\u2013one reason or another\u2013been silenced.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Her latest\u2013<strong>and 19th book!!!<\/strong>\u2013is<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><em>The Dance of the Banished<\/em>, a novel based on the true story of two Anatolian teenagers during WWI. \u00a0Circumstances have conspired to separate Ali and Zeynep from their home, Eyolmez, Anatolia. Sensitive and strong, Ali, immigrates to Canada promising he will send for her. Giving her a journal, he asks her to write in it, keeping them close. In turn he will do the same. But when the war breaks out, he\u2019s declared an \u201cenemy alien\u201d and forced to live in an internment camp in Kapuskasing, Ontario. Meanwhile, thinking she can start fresh and angry at Ali for abandoning her, Zeynep hitches her way with Christian Missionaries to Harpurt, Anatolia, only to be witness to the vicious and violent uprising that lead to the Armenian Genocide.<\/p>\n<p>Written in alternating points of view, Skrypuch\u2019s powerful narrative is constructed around Ali and Zeynep\u2019s journal entries. The diary form is popular in children\u2019s literature, but the difference is Ali and Zeynep are writing to each other, giving the novel a theme of hope\u2013that even through the horror, they two young people will be reunited.<\/p>\n<p>It gives me great pleasure to have Marsha on the blog where she discusses the inspiration for this novel and her approach to writing historical fiction.<\/p>\n<p>Marsha Skrypuch (pronounced SKRIPP-ick) prides herself on being the only children\u2019s author in Canada who is a dyslexic princess, and has received death threats and hate mail (she also sold grinding wheels for four years, but that\u2019s a different story). Her specialty is writing about how children are affected by war. Her settings have included World War I, World War II, the Vietnam War, the Armenian Genocide, and the Ukrainian Famine (Holodomor). Recent honours include the BC Red Cedar Award for Last Airlift: A Vietnamese Orphan\u2019s Rescue from War, the Manitoba Young Readers\u2019 Choice Award and the Ontario Silver Birch Award for in 2013 for Making Bombs for Hitler and in 2014 for One Step At A Time: A Vietnamese Child Finds Her Way. Marsha has helped many beginning novelists develop their craft ,while teaching at Humber School for Writers, various book camps, and in kidcrit, which is the longest running online crit group for children\u2019s writers on the net.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Mel:<\/strong><span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span>I know that much of this is in the afterword of your novel, but for those who don\u2019t know, what was it about Ali and Zeynep\u2019s story that brought you to want to tell this part of Canada\u2019s history?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Marsha:<\/strong><span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span>My own grandfather was interned in Jasper Alberta during the First World War. This was a deep dark secret and the shame of it tainted the rest of his life. My first published book \u2014 Silver Threads (illustrated by Michael Martchenko) was inspired by my grandfather\u2019s internment experience and is dedicated to him and my grandmother. Almost all of those interned were of Ukrainian heritage, and the internment of WWI is not something most Canadians are aware of.<\/p>\n<p>But within that bit of hidden history is another layer that was even more hidden. A small number of internees were of other nationalities \u2014 Serbs, Croatians, Bulgarians, Poles. And from my own hometown of Brantford Ontario, one hundred internees had come from Ottoman Turkey. All hundred were rounded up in the middle of the night and marched down the main street of Brantford to the city jail on a rumour that all hundred had together tried to blow up the local post office in an act of treason. When the rumour proved false, they weren\u2019t let go. These men ended up in an internment camp in Kapuskasing Ontario.<\/p>\n<p>I had to research further. I had to write about this. And what I discovered was quite different than what I had initially thought I\u2019d be writing about.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Mel:<\/strong><span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span>You are often inspired to write about challenging and difficult events, sometimes violent. How do you prepare yourself emotionally for writing these scenes?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Marsha:<\/strong><span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span>The emotion conveyed on the page is what I\u2019m feeling myself as I write it. I don\u2019t know that you can really prepare yourself for the searing pain because if you do, you might try to step away. I also hope that when a person reads these scenes, they are plunged in as well.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Mel:<\/strong><span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span>An observation that perhaps you can speak to. Ali\u2019s and Zeynep\u2019s chapters are written as if they are a journal, but instead of the voice being directed at the reader, you have given it an extra dimension by having them write to each other. There are often challenges and opportunities in using the journal motif, how did you navigate around these and also consider this extra dimension?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Marsha:<\/strong><span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span>I had written an entire first draft of this novel in third person point of view, alternating between Ali and Zeynep. Because their Alevi Kurdish culture is not well known, I thought I had to give more information to clue the reader in. I ended up trashing the entire thing because it just didn\u2019t work.<\/p>\n<p>My editor, Ann Featherstone, suggested I consider the journals as a way for each of them to bare their soul to the the other even though they were half a world apart. As soon as I started, I knew it would work. Their journals poured out of me.<br \/>\nI realized that even though I had to know a lot about Ali and Zeynep\u2019s history and culture, the reader only had to step into their world. The journals simplified what could have been an over-complicated narrative.<\/p>\n<p>There are limitations to the technique. For example, Ali had some experiences that he wanted to keep secret from Zeynep, which meant that he wouldn\u2019t write them in his journal. For that sequence, I had to have him put down his journal and simply narrate.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Mel:<\/strong>\u00a0What was one of the things in your research that really stood out for you and how did it impact how you wrote this story?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Marsha:<\/strong><span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span>When I began, I had a good idea of what Ali\u2019s experience would be, but Zeynep\u2019s totally shocked me. I knew that the Alevi Kurds of Anatolia had a close affinity with the Armenians but I had no idea about how deeply involved the Alevis were in rescuing their friends from the Armenian Genocide, which was perpetrated in Ottoman Turkey as the First World War raged on. The Alevi Kurds helped 40,000 Armenians escape through the Dersim Mountains and to what was then Imperial Russia. This rescue operation was alluded to in many of the primary documents but there were almost no cohesive first-person about it. Finding eye-witness accounts of Armenians saved in this manner and then piecing it together into a narrative was a challenge. It was exhilarating to discover this hidden instance of bravery and it felt so good to be able to write about it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Mel:<\/strong><span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span>Was there anything that you discovered in your research that you had wanted to use but didn\u2019t quite make it into your novel?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Marsha:<\/strong><span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span>I could have written an entire novel about Ali\u2019s Cree friend Nadie.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Mel:<\/strong><span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span>Thanks, again, Marsha for coming on the blog and good luck with your book!<\/p>\n<div id=\"jp-post-flair\" class=\"sharedaddy sd-like-enabled sd-sharing-enabled\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Thank you, Melanie, for this great interview! An Interview with Marsha\u00a0Skrypuch &nbsp; Marsha Skrypuch\u00a0and I\u00a0have a history. It makes sense because we both write and care about history\u2013particularly stories where there has been injustice. I believe that we are humanitarians, who\u00a0hope\u00a0that our stories of the past will resonate with the present, bringing awareness about people &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.calla.com\/wordpress\/melanie-fishbanes-dance-of-the-banished-interview\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Melanie Fishbane&#8217;s Dance of the Banished interview&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[261],"tags":[219,33,220,221,222,223,224],"class_list":["post-2626","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-interviews","tag-alevi","tag-armenian-genocide","tag-dance-of-the-banished","tag-dersim","tag-first-world-war","tag-internment","tag-kurds"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.calla.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2626","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.calla.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.calla.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.calla.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.calla.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2626"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/www.calla.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2626\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":10644,"href":"https:\/\/www.calla.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2626\/revisions\/10644"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.calla.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2626"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.calla.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2626"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.calla.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2626"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}